Ever more producers

toaplan · 20-09-2005, 12:11 AM

Where do they come from and what do they do? More field studies necessary.

Unsurprised Jack · 20-09-2005, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by toaplan

Where do they come from and what do they do? More field studies necessary.

Give me an anesthetist, a metal harness and a few days in a lab and I can at least tell you what they see.

baboon1972 · 02-05-2007, 01:50 AM

now now children.
Funnily enough I had a conversation with a guy recently about the various "sections" of development and he mentioned that Production and QA were the 2 "disciplines" that were regarded as superfluous to the development process.
I say to you:
You give me a dev team with no competent producer because apparantly we are not really that necessary.
I'll give you a game that is over budget, late, probably full of great features but more than likely a rambling mess, and a bunch of artists and programmers that haven't the first clue about what anybody else in the team is doing.

You give me a dev team with no QA because they are just a bunch of annoying people who constantly point out what is wrong with your precious baby, not that that is their job or anything. (Hey Prof Shminky...
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I'll give you a game that is DEFINATELY full of bugs and is probably utterly unplayable except on the latest NASA super computer or a console dev kit.

Bring it on.
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Wolf · 02-05-2007, 08:35 AM

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You give me a dev team with no competent producer because apparantly we are not really that necessary.
I'll give you a game that is over budget, late, probably full of great features but more than likely a rambling mess, and a bunch of artists and programmers that haven't the first clue about what anybody else in the team is doing.

COMPETENT is the key word here!

In incompetent Producer will do way more damage than not having one on the team at all. Sadly there's still too many of them in the industry and all too many of them rise to the top
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Prof. Shminky · 02-05-2007, 12:32 PM

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Hey dude...
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Funnily enough, I was chatting to my brother about something QA-related this morning. He's a programmer for a company who have some major government contracts and they're being told off because what they have produced so far is basically unworkable and full of issues.

Guess what... they don't have a dedicated QA team.

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Sartori · 02-05-2007, 02:56 PM

Of course, you get some producers whose only apparent responsibility is ordering in the pizza when the coders are working late. But good producers are definitely useful people to have around!
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molesworth · 07-05-2007, 10:24 AM

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Funnily enough, I was chatting to my brother about something QA-related this morning. He's a programmer for a company who have some major government contracts and they're being told off because what they have produced so far is basically unworkable and full of issues.

Guess what... they don't have a dedicated QA team.

That's a bit surprising. I worked on a lot of government contracts (in a previous job) and we wouldn't have passed even the first checks on the bids if we hadn't included comprehensive QA plans as part of them. The departments we were dealing with expected as much time to be spent in testing as in development...

baboon1972 · 03-05-2007, 06:31 AM

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CaptainFuture · 07-05-2007, 10:47 AM

A competent producer might as well save your game from a disaster, I wouldn't work without one. Unfortunately most companies recruit producers from QA, and there is no training in place to make sure they know what they're doing.
(Nothing against QA, the high quality of my games was only possible because of QA testing them day and night.)

RustyKnight · 08-05-2007, 01:24 AM

* points to Enter the Matrix *

20-09-2005, 12:11 AM	#1
toaplan Lurker Not From Round Here Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ever more producers Where do they come from and what do they do? More field studies necessary.

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baboon1972 Troll One Of Us Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 59 Thanks: 6 Thanked 13 Times in 5 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 0 Times in 0 Posts	now now children. Funnily enough I had a conversation with a guy recently about the various "sections" of development and he mentioned that Production and QA were the 2 "disciplines" that were regarded as superfluous to the development process. I say to you: You give me a dev team with no competent producer because apparantly we are not really that necessary. I'll give you a game that is over budget, late, probably full of great features but more than likely a rambling mess, and a bunch of artists and programmers that haven't the first clue about what anybody else in the team is doing. You give me a dev team with no QA because they are just a bunch of annoying people who constantly point out what is wrong with your precious baby, not that that is their job or anything. (Hey Prof Shminky... To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. ) I'll give you a game that is DEFINATELY full of bugs and is probably utterly unplayable except on the latest NASA super computer or a console dev kit. Bring it on. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. __________________ "One definition of insanity is doing the same action repeatedly whilst expecting a different result every time" To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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Sartori Industry Legend One Of Us Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4,531 Thanks: 1,213 Thanked 3,269 Times in 1,329 Posts Groans: 17 Groaned at 52 Times in 43 Posts	Of course, you get some producers whose only apparent responsibility is ordering in the pizza when the coders are working late. But good producers are definitely useful people to have around! To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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CaptainFuture Wizard of Science One Of Us Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Somewhere Posts: 1,883 Thanks: 927 Thanked 985 Times in 420 Posts Groans: 0 Groaned at 3 Times in 3 Posts	A competent producer might as well save your game from a disaster, I wouldn't work without one. Unfortunately most companies recruit producers from QA, and there is no training in place to make sure they know what they're doing. (Nothing against QA, the high quality of my games was only possible because of QA testing them day and night.)